The Principals (Aotearoa | New Zealand)

In this episode, we explore how rural schools are transforming their unique challenges into remarkable opportunities for innovation. Our guests talk about structuring learning across multiple year levels, the advantages of knowing every student deeply, and how rural communities become active partners in education. We discuss flexible learning progressions, student agency, and the creative ways small schools capitalise on their local environments - from native gullies and river trails to AgriKids programmes and community expertise.
 
Hosted by Eleisha McNeill.
 
Our guests are:
Lisa Bates, principal at Upper Atiamuri School in South Waikato
Greg Allan, tumuaki of South Makiriri School in Rangitikei
Jane Cochran, vice-president of NZRASLA and tumuaki of Brunswick School near Whanganui
 
Additional information
RASLA - New Zealand Rural and Primary and Area School Leadership Association https://www.nzrasla.ac.nz

In the second part of this kōrero, Russell Bishop explains why pedagogy must lead structural change, how meaningful feedback transforms teaching practice, and the importance of implementing proven approaches with fidelity. He reflects on cutting through the constant noise of educational reform, his vision of of seeing all learners—Māori and Pākehā alike—thriving with confidence and competence, and the deep satisfaction of seeing his research make a real difference in schools.
Hosted by Mārama Stewart.

Professor Russell Bishop explores how whakawhanaungatanga transforms classrooms and schools. He challenges deficit thinking, explains the North-East teaching framework, and argues that relationships aren't just about being nice—they're the foundation for high expectations and accountability. Russell discusses how effective principals support teachers the same way teachers should support students: with care, rigour, and unwavering belief in potential.
Hosted by Mārama Stewart.

In the second part of this conversation about learning leaders, we explore how our guests principals put their research into practice, with three powerful examples of research-informed change - from student-led conferences to building professional learning communities - plus practical advice for time-poor principals on developing a research mindset.
Hosted by Eleisha.
Our guests are:
Cherie Taylor-Patel, principal at Flanshaw Road School in West Auckland
Robin Fabish, leadership advisor and former tumuaki of Tamatea High School in Napier
Isaac Day, leadership advisor and former tumuaki of Enner Glynn Primary School in Nelson

In a world where education trends come and go at lightning speed, how do exceptional school leaders separate the game-changers from the gimmicks? This episode explores why the most effective principals aren't just consumers of education – they're critical thinkers who build their leadership practice on solid evidence rather than wishful thinking. Over the next two episodes, we'll discover how developing a professional reading habit and research mindset helps you ask the right questions, spot patterns others miss, and lead change that actually sticks. From navigating conflicting research to translating insights into practical school improvements, learn why thinking like a researcher – whether you're pursuing a doctorate or simply committed to lifelong learning – might be the most powerful tool in your leadership toolkit.
Hosted by Eleisha McNeill.
Our guests are:
Cherie Taylor-Patel, principal at Flanshaw Road School in West Auckland
Robin Fabish, leadership advisor and former tumuaki of Tamatea High School in Napier
Isaac Day, leadership advisor and former tumuaki of Enner Glynn Primary School in Nelson.

In this episode, we explore the transformative work of the Māori Achievement Collaborative (MAC) with Hoana Pearson, Te Pitau Mātautanga, the national coordinator for MAC. Hoana shares her journey from believing she couldn't learn to becoming a principal determined to ensure every child knows they can succeed. We discuss the power of authenticity in leadership, and how MAC works to change hearts and minds through courageous conversations about educational equity and cultural responsiveness.
Hosted by Mārama Stewart.

As the summer break approaches, this episode explores essential self-care strategies for principals. The conversation covers creating boundaries during holidays, maintaining wellbeing throughout the year, and practical approaches including setting firm finish dates, prioritising activities outside education, and the importance of being fully present. Our guests discuss reframing rest as essential leadership practice rather than optional luxury.
Hosted by Eleisha McNeill
Our guests are:
Roger Phillipson, psychologist at the Ministry of Education
Heidi Haywood, principal of Dunedin North Intermediate
Michael Fletcher, principal of Chaucer School.

Every year, principals face the same challenge: with limited time and budgets, how do you choose professional learning opportunities that will genuinely improve teaching and student outcomes? This episode combines insights from ERO's research on PLD effectiveness with practical, real-world strategies for making smarter professional development decisions. While ERO found that most school leaders were strategic in their choices, many struggled to evaluate whether their PLD actually shifted teaching practices or improved student outcomes. Our guests will share their approaches for identifying genuine learning needs, vetting PLD providers, and ensuring professional development translates into classroom improvements. From asking the right questions before committing to a programme to building systems that sustain learning beyond the workshop, discover how to move beyond professional development that looks good on paper to PLD that creates lasting change for both you and your staff.
 
Hosted by Eleisha McNeill
 
Our guests are:
Alistair Sinton, tumuaki of Mount Maunganui College
Jen Rodgers, principal of St Clair Primary School and on the NZPF executive
Elena Moretti, director of engagement and impact at the National Research Centre
 
Additional information
Principal Development Map (MOE) with PLD recommendations https://workforce.education.govt.nz/principals-and-schools/professional-development-and-support-principals/principal-development-map

In part two of this conversation, our rural principals share honest insights about managing release time with ever-changing priorities, bringing professional learning opportunities to isolated communities, and supporting staff wellbeing when burnout creeps in. This episode offers practical wisdom for staying grounded and connected in the demanding role of rural school leadership.
Our guests are:
Ally Gibbs, principal of Mulberry Grove School, Great Barrier Island
Kylie Piper, tumuaki of Arapohue School in Northland
Greg Allen, tumuaki of South Makirikiri School in Rangitīkei.
Additional information
New Zealand Rural Schools Leadership Association (RASLA) https://www.nzrasla.ac.nz

Leading a rural school comes with unique rewards and challenges. Mārama Stewart speaks with three passionate rural principals about what drew them to rural education and how they navigate life in close-knit communities. Our guests share how they look after their hauora, maintain professional boundaries, and stay connected through networks like RASLA. From bleeding generators to managing septic systems, they remind us that rural principalship extends far beyond leading teaching and learning.
This is part one of a two-part conversation exploring rural school leadership in Aotearoa New Zealand.
Our guests are:
Ally Gibbs, principal of Mulberry Grove School, Great Barrier Island
Kylie Piper, tumuaki of Arapohue School in Northland
Greg Allen, tumuaki of South Makirikiri School in Rangitīkei.
Additional information
New Zealand Rural Schools Leadership Association (RASLA) https://www.nzrasla.ac.nz